foreign policy and our approach to trying to keep this country safe? some would argue that the slippery slope just turned completely vertical when it comes to the use of drones. and how do you think brennan did? >> first of all, let me just say this. i think the discussion yesterday was, in some respects, a tribute to american democracy. i think it was a performance which emphasized the degree to which we are attached to fundamental principles of law and right and humanity. now, how you apply that can differ. but i was impressed by the tone and the thrust of the discussion. now, as to the issues, they're extremely complicated and difficult to parse. you know, what is torture? torture to me means infliction of incredible pain on a human being. i would think that would be prohipr prohibited under our system, that would be considered as crossing the line. stress, pressure, intimidation, i think these are acceptable forms of obtaining information if you have time. the difficulty that arises in one particular case when you know you don't have time, when you